littlegemini
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Post by littlegemini on May 26, 2020 11:54:46 GMT -8
Hi. New hear - enjoying reading through the very helpful threads. Thanks for all the great advice! I started on the back corner of the camper where I knew there was rot - I have rot in all the corners but I don't have a dedicated covered space so I am trying to work in small pieces. The floor consists of a thin board, layered with a honeycomb hollow paper, then layered with a thicker board. I have no idea how to repair this and keep all the heights the same. Also - how do I remove the old rusted carriage bolts? Also - I want to lift off more of the skin on the side but it is stuck around the water valve and I can't figure out how to remove it. Any idea? Thanks! Untitled by andrea, on Flickr Untitled by andrea, on Flickr Untitled by andrea, on Flickr Untitled by andrea, on Flickr Untitled by andrea, on Flickr
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Post by littlegemini on May 26, 2020 12:20:53 GMT -8
YAY I figured out how to fix the pics.
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Post by vikx on May 26, 2020 20:28:25 GMT -8
I would frame the floor the same height as the cardboard and insulate with rigid foam. That cardboard stuff is a failed experiment that they tried and gave up on. Yuk.
The water inlet is connected to a water line inside. You'll have to look at the other side and see how to cut or disconnect so that it will come loose.
Cut the bolts with bolt cutters or a sawzall and buy new. Not worth messing with the old ones...
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Post by littlegemini on May 27, 2020 18:05:28 GMT -8
Thanks Vikx! I'll try that.
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Post by littlegemini on May 29, 2020 8:22:01 GMT -8
Does anyone have pictures of how they repaired their sandwich floor? The order they did it in? I took out the skirt and sill on the one side and the floor was nestled between it (bottom and top part of the sandwich. Not sure how to proceed as the other side is good. Might have to take out the whole floor from the back to the wheel well where there is a joist. Not sure how to join the new and old sections.
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Post by littlegemini on May 30, 2020 19:34:30 GMT -8
I cut a bit away today and my stud finder failed me - no other wood beams until I get to the other side of the camper. I am going to run an asbestos test - of course I am panicking that while cutting into this for an hour today with my multitool that I exposed myself. Should I panic? Can't buy a proper asbestos rated respirator anywhere these days.
I can't tell what the floor is made of - it isn't obviously tile but maybe a sheet of something.
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Post by danrhodes on May 30, 2020 21:27:49 GMT -8
At long last, a kindred spirit. When I first brought my cardboard floor here I got a combination of head shaking and disbelief, but not much advice from experience because much of the expert knowledge here is in 50s campers that were built better for repairability. One member, RinTin offered some wisdom from his woodworking experience. From that, I decided to start over with the floor using a pseudo joist method, but with much thinner boards as spacers to keep the original floor thickness of only 1.25". Once I was done I was worried a lot about the integrity of walls attached to the sides of such a thin floor because most campers here have floors+joists twice as thick. To ease my mind, I added some cleats inside the cabinets to further attach the walls to the floor. To this day, I can't think how I would have repaired the original floor. The factory gluing of the honeycomb was integral to the structure and much of my rear was broken and rotten. You can browse through this blog and see all the times I nearly hauled it to the dump. It's a lot of work to re engineer a failed 60s experiment but I'm glad I tried. 1965fieldandstream.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2015-05-03T13:46:00-07:00&max-results=7&start=95&by-date=false&m=1
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Post by littlegemini on May 30, 2020 22:47:19 GMT -8
danrhodes thank you so much! I thought I was the only one out there with this floor. I have scoured the internet looking for examples and haven't found a thing. I think you are right about not really being able to repair it correctly. There are no break points and the cardboard runs the entire length of the camper so I don't see how I could just fix a segment of it. Also it is crazy how the two thin layers of plywood are sandwiched into the wall sills. Watching videos of other people repairing their floors was so confusing as I didn't realize how different the construction was. I read through your whole blog - very helpful and it turned out beautiful! I may try to come up with a creative solution for my floor as I don't think I have the space to take the camper apart. Definitely a learning experience for me! I will most likely be adding more support to the framing like you did as well.
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Post by danrhodes on May 31, 2020 6:12:30 GMT -8
danrhodes thank you so much! I thought I was the only one out there with this floor. I have scoured the internet looking for examples and haven't found a thing. I think you are right about not really being able to repair it correctly. There are no break points and the cardboard runs the entire length of the camper so I don't see how I could just fix a segment of it. Also it is crazy how the two thin layers of plywood are sandwiched into the wall sills. Watching videos of other people repairing their floors was so confusing as I didn't realize how different the construction was. I read through your whole blog - very helpful and it turned out beautiful! I may try to come up with a creative solution for my floor as I don't think I have the space to take the camper apart. Definitely a learning experience for me! I will most likely be adding more support to the framing like you did as well. My original plan was to lift the body off the floor but my walls ended up so far gone, it was easier to remove them. There are examples here and elsewhere of jacking the body up to remove the frame and floor so you might start there. How thick is your floor? Mine was so thin at 1.25", I didn't trust anything but thick plywood to replace it, but if yours is 2" or so, you could consider a more modern sandwich of 1/4 ply-1" foam-5/8"ply floor with a joist structure that matches your frame and cabinets. One note about the frame extension. I would recommend using all angle iron and not heavy C channel. I think the added weight in the back has unbalanced the trailer and made it more prone to "porpoising" if I don't heavily load the front.
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littlegemini
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Post by littlegemini on May 31, 2020 7:48:10 GMT -8
Hmmm I have seen a few examples of jacking up the body - I'll look into that again. My floor is thin - I have to remeasure again as I forgot. I would have to cut the trailer away from the wall tho as the plywood is nestled into the wall.
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Post by danrhodes on May 31, 2020 12:41:30 GMT -8
Hmmm I have seen a few examples of jacking up the body - I'll look into that again. My floor is thin - I have to remeasure again as I forgot. I would have to cut the trailer away from the wall tho as the plywood is nestled into the wall. If it's built like mine and 75% of the campers on here, the walls are built first and then attached to the floor which sandwiches the wall plywood between the floor and the framing. The ceiling is similar, applied from the outside and attached to the wall tops. This gives a rolling pile of sticks some unibody structural strength and why VTT advocates only repairing campers from the outside with the skin off.
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Post by Teachndad on Jun 1, 2020 5:29:41 GMT -8
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