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Post by tiosend on May 12, 2020 21:57:20 GMT -8
Hey! New here, first post, and feeling so excited to learn from you all. I have been looking around and reading all the great content. A little overwhelmed if I’m honest and assume I’ll be learning how to best utilize the site for months to come, but nonetheless vintage trailer talk is all consuming for my wife and I right now.
First question is about a 1979, 23’ Wilderness camper we’re looking at. It seems to be in excellent condition and the asking price is $4500. We’re completely green when it comes to vintage campers and have only used nada guides for ballpark estimates. Where should I take questions of value, others thoughts about this camper, what parts should be checked before purchase, etc?
Thx so much!
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Post by vikx on May 12, 2020 23:18:46 GMT -8
Welcome!
A 79 23 foot camper is not worth 4500, unless it's been undercover it's whole life. I doubt that. Post some pictures and we can help more. If you see ANY water damage, there's rot behind it.
Also, 79 is not really vintage. They can be fun to camp in and have more amenities than an older trailer but lack resale value and can have multiple system failures.
Not having seen the trailer, it's hard to guess but 4500 gives you a lot of leeway in trailer selection. Stick around and we'll help!
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Post by nccamper on May 13, 2020 4:59:00 GMT -8
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Post by tiosend on Apr 20, 2022 8:18:20 GMT -8
Hard to believe it's been almost 2 years since we wrote in, starting our journey with a new camper. We ended getting a 1978 wilderness trailer. I'll post some pictures here shortly but had a quick question. I'm looking for an owner's manual to answer these questions but haven't tracked one down yet. DO you know if the battery is charged on these units while it's plugged into 120V?
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Post by vikx on Apr 20, 2022 11:03:10 GMT -8
There often are not manuals for each trailer brand. They came with brochures for the appliances, axle, tires and sometimes a short operating list. Airstream is one of the few brands that had a complete manual for each model.
If your converter is working correctly, it should charge the battery when on shore power. Test this by measuring the voltage at the battery with the trailer unplugged. Plug in and test voltage again. There should be a noticeably higher voltage if the converter is charging. In other words, say the battery is at 12.5 unplugged. When on shore power, voltage might bump up to 13+ if charging.
Keep in mind these old converters are not "smart" and can damage batteries if left charging for too long. It's best to limit the charging to less than a day.
If your converter is a Magnatek, Progressive Dynamics makes a converter to replace the original and it will not overcharge your battery.
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Post by tiosend on Apr 20, 2022 19:07:34 GMT -8
Here are a few pictures of our current setup. Regarding my question about the battery being charged. Can you tell from the picture whether this is the converter you were referring to?
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Post by tiosend on Apr 21, 2022 12:45:27 GMT -8
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Post by vikx on Apr 21, 2022 12:57:47 GMT -8
I'm not seeing a converter. It would be inside, close to the floor and probably be brown or black, about 14H x 16W. There is a flap door that drops down and open.https://www.bestconverter.com/MagnetekParallax-to-Xantrex_ep_20-1.html Here is a link with photos: www.bestconverter.com/MagnetekParallax-to-Xantrex_ep_20-1.htmlThe tongue is showing the battery and the break away brake emergency switch. If you decide to upgrade, don't buy WFCO products. They are known to fail.
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Post by tiosend on Apr 28, 2022 13:47:04 GMT -8
Hi vikx! Thanks for the comments. I followed your guidance and looked around and all I come up with is the electrical box. Think it's a part of this? I've had the battery plugged in for a week and it seems to be holding a charge. Only thing drawing a charge are fridge and lights and every once in a while. Not sure.
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Post by tiosend on Apr 28, 2022 14:01:26 GMT -8
Couple more things while I'm at it 😬 Hot water heater pilot not staying lit and noticing the smell of propane when we leave the tank on overnight. Fairly strong when entering the trailer. I've been spraying all fittings with water/soap mix and nothing bubbling yet. The heater unit was run during the winter a few times and always wreaked of propane so I'm wondering if the unit leaks but would like ideas if anyone had thoughts about how to track down the leaking culprit? I've been looking at stove, refrigerator, heater, and hot water heater. Some areas harder to get to than others! Here are the photos of each. Thank you!
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Post by WhitneyK on Apr 29, 2022 4:56:41 GMT -8
It takes some time, but try to isolate the problem by disconnecting all appliances but one. It's just the process of elimination. To do this you will probably need some flare nut plugs or caps to seal off each appliance. If you are unfamiliar with these, check with your local propane supplier that still offers installation and the such. Places that "just fill tanks" won't have a clue what you're needing. Pipe plugs Do Not Work, it must be the plugs / caps designed for flare fittings.
Just a thought, didn't say it was a good one but it's all I got (without borrowing a "sniffer" tool / meter) Whitney
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Post by vikx on Apr 29, 2022 11:58:45 GMT -8
Your electrical is different than what I've seen in late 70s trailers. The grey box is 110/120 electrical with breakers well labeled. The box next to it is your 12 volt fuse box. I'm "guessing" there is a converter behind that board or at least close by. The original might have been replaced and/or the manufacturer chose to install the breaker and fuse boxes that way.
I agree with Whitney on the propane leaks. There are many connections to test. The first thing I would do is plug each line using a 3/8 flare plug. (most appliances are 3/8 flare but check to be sure on size)
Refer main line is at the back and the heater is on the lower left as you face it. I'm not seeing the water heater gas line, it could be inside the trailer.
NOTE: the heater should not smell of propane when operating. Catalytic heaters are surprisingly simple and with a strong propane smell, the leak might be at the main connection. You can pull the heater and bench test it if necessary. They are hung on two or four screws. Do not use a heater smelling of propane. It looks to be in good condition, so may just have a loose main line.
The stove may have two pilots; one in the oven and one to the burner manifold. Be sure each is lit or off when the gas is on. The burner manifold (lift the stove top) should have the main stove propane line connected to it. This is the line you need to disconnect and plug for testing.
One trick I use when working with copper tubing and brass fittings is to use two wrenches on the fittings. With the handles separated by about 3", squeeze them together to loosen or tighten. This prevents twisted tubing and will give a good seal.
Plugging each line will eliminate each appliance when testing. You can do it one at a time, but I usually plug all and re-connect one. If no smell, move on to the next appliance.
Almost any RV shop should be able to check the trailer if you don't want to do it yourself. Let us know what you find.
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Post by tiosend on May 7, 2022 15:09:44 GMT -8
Hi All, thanks for the ideas. We decided to pull the old heater and cap the line. Testing now to see if it's knocked out the leak. Looking at the stove picture, can you tell me if there is a pilot?
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Post by vikx on May 7, 2022 21:40:50 GMT -8
Doesn't appear to be a pilot for the stove top. There may be shut off near the oven valve but probably not. In that case the oven pilot would need to be lit when you first turn on the gas.
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Post by tiosend on May 9, 2022 7:53:02 GMT -8
Thank vikx! I'm not sure where the oven pilot is but is it possible that this could be the reason for the propane smell?
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