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Post by aslmx on Jun 27, 2019 17:52:31 GMT -8
I’m going to replace my leaf springs on the 65 Shasta? I haven’t weighed it but I’m thinking close to 2800 or so. Should I go to 4000# leaf springs or just stay with the 3500# ones?
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Post by nccamper on Jun 28, 2019 8:17:28 GMT -8
I'd go with 4000. The ride may be a little stiffer but a 2800 camper quickly approaches 3500 with water/gear/etc.
Others with more experience hopefully will chime in.
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Post by bigbill on Jun 29, 2019 14:20:56 GMT -8
When you are buying make sure if the weight rating is for a single or for a pair. If each spring is rated at 3500pounds then a pair will support 7000 pounds which would be plenty. If it says that a pair supports 3500 pounds then I would buy heavier springs. Marketing can be very tricky.
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Post by mel on Jun 30, 2019 13:21:14 GMT -8
Im not sure what model your shasta is, but I got my 64 weighed and it was at 2200lbs Might be a good idea to weigh yours before you decide. I paid $10 at a scrap metal yard.
I still havent got new springs yet. No one could last minute get me in last year, then I got lazy about it. Now that ive used it so much without new springs Im wondering if its really necessary that I get them. They are a little flat looking but seem to be doing their job. It would be nice to gain an inch or two in height though.
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Post by roadtripper on Jul 2, 2019 13:10:12 GMT -8
I just came up with a similar question so will jump in on this thread if ok. Last year put on new axel, wheels, brakes, rims, etc. due to the lost wheel episode. Well this weekend I had trailer on blocks and tires off to do some general clean up and maintenance on belly. I noticed top inside of wheel wells have been rubbing at times....a little shiny spot. Then I noticed, after lowering with tires back on that space between frame and axel is only about a strong inch and it too shows signs of occasional hitting. So, I’m guessing new better springs is the fix? Do I just measure spring length when off trailer and go with something rated higher than the 3k ( loaded) of the trailer)? Are there other options to gain height with the springs? Thanks.
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Post by vikx on Jul 2, 2019 19:27:34 GMT -8
I had that happen on my Deluxe. Solution was new lower profile tires. I can't remember the sizes, but one tire was about 2" shorter than the original tires I tried. (duplicates of what had been on there in the first place) Wonder why they had blowouts?
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Post by bigbill on Jul 3, 2019 5:12:16 GMT -8
This is a reminder that any time you change Springs, tires or any other suspension parts you should always measure the distance between the high point on your axle and what ever it would hit to stop it's travel. Then measure from top of tire to wheel well, next subtract axle travel measurement from total clearance and I recommend at least 2" of clearance. This allows for wheel angle changes when one wheel travels more than the other when hitting uneven places. Tires hitting the wheel is not only bad for the tire but can cause the trailer to start leaking and or allow pest a path to enter.
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Post by ruderunner on Jul 4, 2019 2:41:15 GMT -8
For a little extra clearance between tire and body, there's a couple options.
One could install longer shackles, note though that the height gain will be about half the length increase in shackle length. Don't get crazy as longer shackles lead to more sway, I wouldn't go over 6 inches in length and even then it would be good to have them webbed.
If your axle is under the springs, you can install blocks between the axle and spring, blocks are available in some parts stores, match then to the width of the spring. Personally I'd limit this to a 3 inch block.
One could have the original springs re arched and even add an extra leaf.
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Post by roadtripper on Jul 4, 2019 6:09:36 GMT -8
Thanks. Axels are over spring a so I guess blocks wouldn’t work. On longer shackles, would it be both ends, or just the end that pivots. Welding required?. Seems new springs aren’t all that expensive if that by itself would work with just heavier duty—-or not worn out. Is re arching less costly. As far as tires, I can go from the 90 to 75 and gain an inch in wheel well, but it won’t help on axel too close to frame.
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Post by bigbill on Jul 4, 2019 7:59:05 GMT -8
Longer shackles will increase the clearance BUT they also change the geometry of the axle sometimes causing excessive tire wear and trailer sway. Longer shackles also apply more twisting load on the frame anytime there is a side load, such as in a turn or a cross wind or in a sway. I never recommend this as a solution to a clearance problem.
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Post by roadtripper on Jul 4, 2019 8:50:19 GMT -8
Thanks for the input.
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Post by WhitneyK on Jul 5, 2019 7:17:58 GMT -8
Thanks. Axels are over spring a so I guess blocks wouldn’t work. Depending on your axle configuration, moving it to under the springs may be an option? It gained me around 3+ inches. (pictures would help) Agree with the others, longer shackles is not the best solution. jmho
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Post by aslmx on Jul 5, 2019 8:07:06 GMT -8
I’m going to try to get it weighed when we get everything installed. I’m going to leave the stock axle. Seems like the older stuff is built so much better than new Chinese stuff. I’ve been trying to estimate what I think it would weigh just by what I’ve installed right down to estimating 5 pounds of screws to 30 pounds of butyl tape. I’m thinking 4000# springs should be a no brainer. As far as ride height, I’m putting 15 inch 205s on and I have around 1 1/2” from the wheel well top. I’m hoping new springs will get me another 1/2”. I’m going to put new brakes on but not going to use them if possible. Brakes on vehicles are so much better than they were in 1965 so I’m hoping I won’t need them but going to put them on just because they are cheap to purchase and I’ll already have the axle torn apart.
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Post by bigbill on Jul 5, 2019 11:12:13 GMT -8
Brakes are also required by law if you exceed a certain weight. Some states are as low as 1500 pounds. They not only have to be there but they have to work. very few people are ever busted for it BUT if you happen to have an accident and they check you can be in big trouble. Perhaps a child darts out in front of you and you were to close to stop, the lack of trailer brakes could change no charges to traffic manslaughter. Hopefully this would never happen but it is possible.
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Post by ruderunner on Jul 7, 2019 3:18:33 GMT -8
In regard to brakes, besides the legal requirements and the emergency stopping that bill mentioned, they can help to control trailer sway.
No good reason not to have them.
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