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Post by Teachndad on Jun 14, 2019 6:25:48 GMT -8
Hi Scott and Welcome! Your trailer is a rare find, as usually the Kits that I have seen are smaller. Also, those 40s trailers are rare in themselves. In your case, the rarity should not be equated with value like a rare diamond It sounds like you understood this as it was brought up earlier in the thread. I am happy to hear you have the technical background to take this on. I always envy you shop guys with your experience craftsmanship and expertise. Enroll in Mobiltec's classes, you will learn a lot. Another source of ideas and concept awareness is to go into the Restorations and Rebuilds sub forum on this site. One of my favorites is the thread by Rintin aka Greg vintagetrailertalk.freeforums.net/thread/4148/1965-aloha-projectIt is remarkable because he teaches us how he did things. He is a cabinet maker by trade, so his craftsmanship experience contributes to an excellent build thread. There are others I have seen that are equally good, but I can't remember. Look for the ones that have many pages as a start. The threads entitled " What did you do to your trailer?" are filled with good info, but it takes a lot of reading to find the good stuff, though. I would focus on the rebuild threads themselves. Btw, as a person who had frame issues on his Westerner and thought it better to correct the issues rather than just have a new frame made, just make a new one. It's going to help. Also, it's YOUR trailer and yes it's your wife's as well. There is no Authentic Police. It's not a show horse. It's a place where you will live sometimes. Look, just don't tell the wife this: in case your wife really gets mad at you and you have to go live in the "dog house", you want that place to be nice, right? Make an extra set of keys for the trailer and don't tell her. All kidding aside, make it your own, but rebuild it safely. I have no doubt you will do very well. I look forward to seeing your progress. Cheers, Rod
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Post by scootermcrad on Jun 14, 2019 6:42:43 GMT -8
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Post by scootermcrad on Jun 14, 2019 6:46:10 GMT -8
Hi Scott and Welcome! Your trailer is a rare find, as usually the Kits that I have seen are smaller. Also, those 40s trailers are rare in themselves. In your case, the rarity should not be equated with value like a rare diamond It sounds like you understood this as it was brought up earlier in the thread. I am happy to hear you have the technical background to take this on. I always envy you shop guys with your experience craftsmanship and expertise. Enroll in Mobiltec's classes, you will learn a lot. Another source of ideas and concept awareness is to go into the Restorations and Rebuilds sub forum on this site. One of my favorites is the thread by Rintin aka Greg vintagetrailertalk.freeforums.net/thread/4148/1965-aloha-projectIt is remarkable because he teaches us how he did things. He is a cabinet maker by trade, so his craftsmanship experience contributes to an excellent build thread. There are others I have seen that are equally good, but I can't remember. Look for the ones that have many pages as a start. The threads entitled " What did you do to your trailer?" are filled with good info, but it takes a lot of reading to find the good stuff, though. I would focus on the rebuild threads themselves. Btw, as a person who had frame issues on his Westerner and thought it better to correct the issues rather than just have a new frame made, just make a new one. It's going to help. Also, it's YOUR trailer and yes it's your wife's as well. There is no Authentic Police. It's not a show horse. It's a place where you will live sometimes. Look, just don't tell the wife this: in case your wife really gets mad at you and you have to go live in the "dog house", you want that place to be nice, right? Make an extra set of keys for the trailer and don't tell her. All kidding aside, make it your own, but rebuild it safely. I have no doubt you will do very well. I look forward to seeing your progress. Cheers, Rod Hey, THANK YOU, Rod! I appreciate it! And yeah... looks like these windows will need everything. Cool thing is, the left side has ORIGINAL glass! Never been replaced! It has the waviness to prove it. Going to try and salvage it and install it into the replacement frames.
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Post by scootermcrad on Jun 14, 2019 6:54:39 GMT -8
The kitchen area REALLY has me confused. The stove looks to be the correct era, but clearly doesn't fit, so either the original was replaced with one of the same age or the cabinetry was completely reconfigured. Seems like the cabinets could have gone all the way to bench, as well. However, the hardware appears to match everything and appears to also be correct for the age of the trailer.
The window openings on the right side were definitely modified to accept the larger windows, so the exterior panels in those areas will end up getting replaced. I'll end up sourcing replacement windows for this whole trailer. I'm not sure what the door window would have originally looked like. That will be a challenge.
Lots to do here, and it will take us a LOOONGG time, but I think it was a good find, a great style of trailer overall, and I love that it's 40's era.
Thanks everyone!
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Post by vikx on Jun 14, 2019 21:21:17 GMT -8
That stove is the correct era, maybe build the cabinet to fit? Nobody will know the difference. You'll need all the parts of course, so it some are missing, it might not be ideal to use it.
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Post by Teachndad on Jun 14, 2019 22:13:21 GMT -8
Hi Friends,
So, what is going on with that floor? Is it original? I just saw the photos that have been added. Someone has to know. I am seeing what look like square nuts on the bottom of every crossmember or floor support beam. What looked like planking, possibly tongue and groove planking over the original floor appears to be the actual floor? Then,look at what I think is a torsion axle of some kind? Again maybe someone with more experience can explain this.
Is it possible that these to structural elements were original?
I am loving the fact finding on this one.
Cheers,
Rod
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Post by mobiltec on Jun 15, 2019 6:00:15 GMT -8
Hi Friends, So, what is going on with that floor? Is it original? I just saw the photos that have been added. Someone has to know. I am seeing what look like square nuts on the bottom of every crossmember or floor support beam. What looked like planking, possibly tongue and groove planking over the original floor appears to be the actual floor? Then,look at what I think is a torsion axle of some kind? Again maybe someone with more experience can explain this. Is it possible that these to structural elements were original? I am loving the fact finding on this one. Cheers, Rod I would need a closer look but that all looks original to me. I've never seen a floor like that in any other trailer but I have seen torsion suspension in trailers before.
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Post by kirkadie on Jun 15, 2019 6:11:22 GMT -8
Torsion axle like what my Scotty has. I'm a fan of them till that large spring cracks, but there are dealers that sell custom sized replacements if you need it. Very beefy looking floor. The empty area next to the door held full size refer? What a great project.
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Post by scootermcrad on Jun 15, 2019 12:49:45 GMT -8
Hi Friends, So, what is going on with that floor? Is it original? I just saw the photos that have been added. Someone has to know. I am seeing what look like square nuts on the bottom of every crossmember or floor support beam. What looked like planking, possibly tongue and groove planking over the original floor appears to be the actual floor? Then,look at what I think is a torsion axle of some kind? Again maybe someone with more experience can explain this. Is it possible that these to structural elements were original? I am loving the fact finding on this one. Cheers, Rod Hi Rod, I do believe the floor to be original. I'm guessing that it would have originally had some kind of flooring OVER the planks. But there's no evidence of anything beyond a painted floor. So who knows. Maybe that's how it was. The cross supports that bundle the floor and interface with the chassis rails I'm pretty sure are original, and are not in as good of shape as I would like. The axle indeed has torsion springs. It pulled great behind our 4Runner, but unfortunately there are zero provisions for any kind of brakes, which is disappointing. Also, there is obvious twisting in place in the chassis and it's really only about 3" tall channel. The tongue is also not very long, so it doesn't do sharp turns well at all. The future does not looking promising for this chassis, I'm afraid to say. I may end up having to build a replica of this frame with updated materials for safety purposes. The fact finding is DEFINITELY a blast! Glad we have some time on our side for this build. Not much info out there.
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Post by scootermcrad on Jun 15, 2019 12:52:29 GMT -8
Torsion axle like what my Scotty has. I'm a fan of them till that large spring cracks, but there are dealers that sell custom sized replacements if you need it. Very beefy looking floor. The empty area next to the door held full size refer? What a great project. Does your Scotty have brake provisions of any kind on the axle? The empty space next to the door is a mystery to us as well. There would have been an ice box at the very least. We will incorporate a correct looking fridge of some kind into this area, I think.
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Post by scootermcrad on Jun 15, 2019 12:54:16 GMT -8
That stove is the correct era, maybe build the cabinet to fit? Nobody will know the difference. You'll need all the parts of course, so it some are missing, it might not be ideal to use it. I agree. Looks correct. Strange how the cabinets are. If I can find original top parts for it, I may try to restore it. It's really just dirty. Not in bad shape. Cabinets will have to be redone for sure, if it is to stay. It's certainly cool!
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Post by scootermcrad on Jun 17, 2019 7:49:39 GMT -8
Ok. So just doing some reading, it seems maybe I have Marvel windows (or what's left of them). Can anyone confirm this? It appears that someone sells the aluminum extrusions to make replacements. How common were these windows? They are a MESS! The glass on the left side and rear is original and intact and I would like to save it, though. It has that nice waviness to it. Glass is toast on the front one, obviously Inside These things created a lot of damage in the walls. It will be fun to see what's left under the skin when it comes off. Yikes...
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Post by Teachndad on Jun 17, 2019 9:57:52 GMT -8
Hi Scott, Those windows are really hard to find. You might be able to salvage the rain drip caps over the windows. Those are even harder to find than the windows themselves. Your excavation will show much rot. Rod
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Post by scootermcrad on Jun 17, 2019 10:14:33 GMT -8
Hi Scott, Those windows are really hard to find. You might be able to salvage the rain drip caps over the windows. Those are even harder to find than the windows themselves. Your excavation will show much rot. Rod Oh... Lovely. HAHA! Thanks for the heads up. I can make those rain caps, I think. They look pretty straight forward. Seems like maybe I may have to make these windows out of the extrusion. Loooots of aluminum welding. If I do that, I could make the caps out of aluminum also so everything is just aluminum and I don't have to worry about repairing them again in the future. I'm going to guess finding originals will be expensive if I can find them, then. Once I get one of them out and better understand the construction I'll have a better idea how to fabricate these, if it comes down to that. The windows are the thing I'm dreading the most. I feel okay about the rest of this project... so far.
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Post by Teachndad on Jun 20, 2019 19:45:54 GMT -8
Hi Friends,
This trailer for some reason makes me curious with its strange interior cabinets and "modernized" Windows on one side.
A search of 1947 Kit trailers turns up teardrops. A wider search only turns up this trailers size, but a year older with aluminum push out windows. It looks like Scott's is a Kit Companion. Just a guess. I found a larger model called a Chateau.
It's a 1948 model and this page shows the interior. It has the traditional ice box with sink and stove on end configuration. The ice box cavity has been lost in Scott's 47. I will assume that the '47 originally came configured equal to the 1948 model, though the exterior looks like it got a redesign from '47 to '48. Scott's trailer exterior is more teardroppy which I actually find more attractive. I like the final.bend in the front wall down at the bottom.
Cheers,
Rod
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