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Post by johnnygrace on Apr 23, 2018 5:08:20 GMT -8
Wondering if anyone's seen it done? I'm kind of obsessed with the idea. There are a few options like the cubic mini, dickinson Newport, or a tiny tot. I want to be able to 4 season camp in the PNW. Would love to see any photos of an install. It's tough working out where to put it. Likely where the closet is now. Any thoughts?
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Post by kudzu on Apr 23, 2018 7:59:21 GMT -8
I know nothing about this but I do know that wood boats have had woodstoves for years. I would start my research with how they do it boats.
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Post by mel on Apr 23, 2018 9:21:45 GMT -8
I saw a tiny camper with one a few years ago, it wasn't a Shasta and I don't know anything about it. But it did look no nice.
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Post by bigbill on Apr 23, 2018 9:24:45 GMT -8
I would be EXTREMELY CAREFUL these trailers burn like a match.
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Post by johnnygrace on Apr 23, 2018 19:13:52 GMT -8
I would be EXTREMELY CAREFUL these trailers burn like a match. Yes that's fair. I was thinking of removing the icebox and the stove and putting a 3-way fridge where stove is and a two burner only cook top above, then putting a wood stove where icebox was with some removeable panels so I have a functioning closet if the stove is not needed otherwise remove panels to have stove with good clearance around it. Maybe use fire cloth insulation under some steel with an air gap and more steel for heat blocking behind. Would be cool and cozy but kinda trying to dummy check myself if it's worth it? Fantasizing about cold shoulder season rainy outings staying warm by the fire. I hate when it rains camping and you're stuck without a fire.
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Post by datac on Apr 24, 2018 16:49:59 GMT -8
Before you start engineering where it's going to fit, as suggested previously I'd check out the options made for sailboats and pay strict attention to the manufacturer's specs for installation clearance. I'm a big fan of homemade engineering, but no way would I go all cowboy and bolt up some homemade job for this one.
My folks used to live aboard a 50' sloop, had a slick diesel-burning stove that looked pretty much like a tiny stainless wood stove, maybe 10" on a side. It needed about an 18" air gap all the way around.
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Post by johnnygrace on Apr 24, 2018 21:06:16 GMT -8
I'd check out the options made for sailboats and pay strict attention to the manufacturer's specs for installation clearance. I'm a big fan of homemade engineering, but no way would I go all cowboy and bolt up some homemade job for this one. Yes I agree and I've done a little research about this. The Dickinson Newport is promising. It requires only 8 inches of clearance on all sides and is recommended to be mounted as close to the floor as possible. Including the width I need about 24 inches of side to side to install it. I'll need to re measure my trailer but I think the existing width of the closet is less that that but the installation instructions do say... "Combustible material closer to the heater then the specified safety clearances must be lined with insulation or millboard and a metal liner with a .5” standoff for air movement behind." So it seems that given proper insulation this might be workable into the existing closet space. It's also nice that the chimney is only a 3" diameter pipe. Not too obtrusive on the wall.
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Post by turbodaddy on Apr 25, 2018 18:53:16 GMT -8
We had a Dickinson Marine kerosene/ diesel cookstove / heater on our trawler/houseboat. Cast iron cook top, fiddles to keep pots and pans from sliding off, built-in 12VDC fan to distribute heat. It was a pot burner and kept us warm living aboard year round in New England. Really well built and nicely designed. It would be way overkill in a small camper. The installation was quite robust with proper spacing, insulation and decorative stainless steel backsplash kind of thing behind. Sorry, but I'm a propane guy for heat, light, cooking and refrigeration in a camper.
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Post by bigbill on Apr 26, 2018 6:30:43 GMT -8
We had a Dickinson Marine kerosene/ diesel cookstove / heater on our trawler/houseboat. Cast iron cook top, fiddles to keep pots and pans from sliding off, built-in 12VDC fan to distribute heat. It was a pot burner and kept us warm living aboard year round in New England. Really well built and nicely designed. It would be way overkill in a small camper. The installation was quite robust with proper spacing, insulation and decorative stainless steel backsplash kind of thing behind. Sorry, but I'm a propane guy for heat, light, cooking and refrigeration in a camper. I'm getting old. I prefer the stuff where you just plug in the cord and flip the switch. Maybe along with getting old I'm also getting lazy. I did enough boon docking over the years to last me the rest of my years, now I just want to plug in and flip switches.
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Post by mobiltec on May 14, 2018 15:05:43 GMT -8
The 53 Kit that I just got my hands on used oil heat with a vent stack. I imagine that is no different. Just make sure you have it vented properly through a proper roof jack with proper clearances. I would also line anything that is near it with a sandwich stainless steel over water heater blanket material to insulate said thing (wall, cabinet ect.) from radiant heat.
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Post by johnnygrace on May 21, 2018 22:17:33 GMT -8
Just make sure you have it vented properly through a proper roof jack with proper clearances. I would also line anything that is near it with a sandwich stainless steel over water heater blanket material to insulate said thing (wall, cabinet ect.) from radiant heat. Figuring out an interchangeable flue cap is something I will explore as well. A solid cap for storage and on the road, and a vented one for when the stove is running. The stove would basically rest on the wheel well. I'm wondering if it might be advantageous to create a little vent in the well for a fresh air intake. I think the cubic mini cub stove with the wall mount and side shields is the way to go. I weighed my trailer yesterday for the tag renewal and it was 1620 lbs. Curious how much the ice box and stove weigh. If I trade them out for a wood stove, 3cu ft fridge, and 2 burner cook top how will that affect my overall weight? Of course then I need a 12v battery system and so on.
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Post by gary350 on May 29, 2018 17:43:05 GMT -8
I have a small wood stove from Tractor Supply = TSC it makes too much heat for a tiny camper trailer. With the pipe running up and out 95% of the heat goes out the stove pipe. If you run stove pipe up then all the way around the room then out you get more heat but still loose 60% of the heat out of the stove pipe. Close the vent and damper force fire to burn slow you have less heat that is perfect for small trailer fire lasts longer and you loose only about 10% of the heat out the stove pipe. Most heat radiates off of the stove and stove pipe so the longer the stove pipe is the more heat you put into the room. You can heat tiny camper with 3 pieces of wood if you can find a way to make them burn SLOW. Turns out stove takes up lots of space and pipe takes up more space than stove. You get a tiny fire burning in stove trailer is hot quick but small fire goes out so you have to start a new fire about every hour all night all. Next I bought lots of 25 cent yard sale candles it only takes about 15 candles inside the stove to keep trailer warm all night long. Stove still takes up too much space. Next I bought 14 quilts and blankets at yard sales $3 to $5 each and put all of them on the bed. In 25 degree weather pull back 7 blankets and slide in I am warm as toast all night long 7 blankets on top and 7 blankets on bottom. Depending on weather pull back the number of blankets you need and slide in. I got rid of the wood stove I need no heat in winter in 20 deg weather but I need a sock hat to keep my head warm when I sleep. Wife cuddles up close & camping is more fun.
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Post by turbodaddy on May 29, 2018 18:32:43 GMT -8
Just too funny! And I believe every word.
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Post by HOTRODPRIMER on Jun 3, 2018 18:59:57 GMT -8
I have installed several wood burning stoves over the years,for myself and others.
Installation in a home it is recommended to have a minimum of 3 feet from any flammable material.this would make it difficult to properly vent the chimney through the top of the camper much less having it 3 foot from the paneling.
I'm with you on the surface it sounds like a good idea but from a safety aspect I wouldn't do it. Danny
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Post by johnnygrace on Jun 5, 2018 9:30:33 GMT -8
Haha. Yes all good points.
The real issue for me is that I have an 18 month old and we want to go camping in a couple weeks. It's going to be in the low 40's at the pass. Getting a reserved site with electrical is tough in the summer (unless you are good at planning ahead) The place we go has tons of walk up only sites but no electrical. With electrical I'll use my little vornado all night and we stay toasty warm. The 18 month old won't sleep in a sleeping bag and he won't sleep with us so keeping him warm all night is tough. Once he's older, next year, I likely won't have the problem anymore and can just make everyone sleep in a down bag.
So the question really is how to safely, economically, heat my camper without electricity all night while sleeping and not wanting to choke out my family.
-Propane heater? (potential issues with CO2, maybe with a detector no worries, are people being overly conservative about not sleeping with it on?) -One of those candle heaters like the UCO Candlelier? (open flame CO2 issues but cheapest startup cost although unsure if 3 candles is gonna cut it.) -Wood stove? (still think this could be the best option...(not gonna happen in 2 weeks however))
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