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Post by Ten on Jan 6, 2018 6:28:16 GMT -8
About a 12-footer...Not so sure about the previous attempts at floor repair, so be prepared for anything. No title so that is something to consider, but even so, I would already be on the way to grab it if I were closer. It is one of those that really grabs my attention. This one is worth the effort, if registration is not a problem in your state.
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Post by CorvettCrzy on Jan 6, 2018 7:52:11 GMT -8
I love all the windows and it sounds like that it is mostly original. Definitely worth taking a look and for that price, to me justifies taking it down to the frame which would solve the floor and ceiling rebuildwrong issues (wainscot on ceiling).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 20:41:33 GMT -8
So DLW and I got it...
Discovered it on Craigslist around 3:30 AM this morning, talked to him at 7 AM, and closed the deal before Noon. I was competing with lots of others who had responded. According to the owner, most folks wanted more interior pictures. I told him I would come up and see it immediately in person. No need for additional information required. He agreed to hold it until I got there. Living just 2 hours away...it was a very easy commute. And well worth it. I'll drive back up with my truck and drag it home next weekend.
After doing a little research, it appears to be a 16' 1964 or 1965. The tag adjacent to the entry door called out Model #D216, and Serial #WXVD216457. The exterior has been repainted for some reason - you can see the faint large W and striping showing through. The exterior is really solid. The interior is in disarray as he had started to remove stuff in preparation for a remodel. He decide to stop when he realized this was going to be significantly more work than he expected. Fortunately he quit before doing too much damage.
He made mention that the floor is a bit soft from water damage due to an interior leak, and you can see loose pieces of plywood he laid over the top. The interior walls and ceiling show some water staining, and much of the ceiling was covered with wainscoting years ago. Hard to know the extent of the damage. I intend to do a complete frame off rebuild, so doesn't matter much to me regardless. The stove and furnace work fine...no frig however. You can see a window AC unit installed in the rear window.
Here's a few more photos:
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Post by Teachndad on Jan 6, 2018 23:16:00 GMT -8
Score! I like the front window. with the smaller sliders at the bottom.
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Post by vikx on Jan 7, 2018 11:27:21 GMT -8
This is what folks are looking for in a vintage trailer. (short and easy to tow) Mid 60s usually sell from 6500 to 9500 when done. Glad you got it.
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Post by Ten on Jan 7, 2018 12:19:13 GMT -8
I seem to be one of those hoarders, I don't seem to ever look at them from the point of view that they might be worth much more when finished, I picture what they will look like in my driveway. Some appeal to me immediately, and this one did. I can't wait to see more of this one. Really glad you scored this one. I hate to think what can happen to these old gals when they sell for so little....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 12:34:15 GMT -8
Thanks Ten for the assurance that I'm not the only "hoarder" out there. I look at them the same way you do. If they are eye catching to me, regardless of size or year, I have an interest to add them to my collection. I have nearly 30 acres of land, so there is not a problem finding each of them a cozy home.
My wife and I talked yesterday about my "addiction", and she is OK to line them up in a location that is not immediately on the portion of the property that I maintain, but on that portion that is visible from the house. I really like to look at them, tour the inside occasionally, and view with friends. They are really appealing to me in the unrestored condition, and I will maintain them properly so they decay no further.
I believe I'm also doing a service to the trailers themselves and to the vintage trailer community. I'll save them from a slow and agonizing death. Worse yet, have them land into somebody else's hands who will never bring them back to the life they deserve. I'm ready to shed a tear after writing all this!!
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Post by shastatom on Jan 7, 2018 12:59:01 GMT -8
BW, remember your wife will get half of your campers in the divorce. Or maybe you will just end up with all of them and she will get everything else.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 13:45:17 GMT -8
A couple of comments/questions for Vikx:
Thanks for the encouragement on believing I landed a candidate that has a much greater appeal. I'll probably work on this one after completing the Catalina, although my wife believes maybe I should start on this one first? The FAN will be third in the queue regardless. I still have that truck camper conversion to a travel trailer I'll be working on outside my shop in parallel.
As you know, I'm planning to "resto-mod" the Catalina. I'll be deviating significantly from the original design, both inside and out. This Winnebago, however, should probably remain as original as possible - do you agree? I will still be doing a complete frame off restoration, but would probably match what can't be resurrected with exactly the way it rolled out of the factory. For sure the exterior with the big W and stripe will be included. Hopefully the original color scheme can be uncovered when I strip the paint. Thoughts?
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Post by vikx on Jan 7, 2018 23:09:44 GMT -8
The porch light and A/C have to go... Keep the birch interior, lose the vinyl ceiling laminate and repair as you wish. Honestly, a mid 60s doesn't have to be all original but the more vintage the better. No modern showing.
Definitely protect the poster in the closet. I cover mine with a plastic piece. Lexan or...
Remember, if you spend a bundle, you won't recoup your investment on this one. It's a great first project and will be fun.
I agree, do this one first.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 23:51:30 GMT -8
Thanks for the response. I definitely will get rid of the AC and porch light. The window where the AC is located is probably long gone. Should I make an effort to find the exact replacement? I'm not sure if the opening was modified to fit the AC or if that is the original window framing. I guess the opening can be resized to fit the proper window if necessary.
Also, I believe the side marker lights should be round instead of oval based on my limited research so far. Do you agree? If so, I assume I can find reproductions at Vintage Trailer Supply or Vintage Trailer Shop. Not sure why round would have been swapped out for oval in the first place??
And yes...planning to save that Winnebago maintenance checklist in the closet - pretty cool that it is in such great condition. Should I remove, frame, and rehang? Or leave it stapled exactly as is and cover with lexan?
Finally, I'm on the fence on what order to restore. I like the idea of doing the Catalina first, as that is my first trailer, and I'm sure I'll learn, make mistakes, etc. along the way. I'd hate to screw anything up on this Winnebago.
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Post by Ten on Jan 8, 2018 6:41:27 GMT -8
First, don't assume that the porch light is Not original. They were often a deluxe feature back in that era. There were some that were detachable, that had a screw-on base that mounted on a single outlet. Others were mounted like they would be on the side of the house. You may find an outlet behind it, or possibly a box. Judging by the wiring strung across the wardrobe closet, it is just as much a possibility that someone stuck it up there.
It appears from what I can tell from photos, that someone replaced the marker lights. I did it myself on an old one I had once, before I knew enough that close-to-originals are available. The forward one on the streetside was mounted lower than the original light, probably because of a problem with cut wires. The other three look like they were pasted over the original positions.
I would check with the owners about the key for the lug lock. (In fact might ask if they have other equipment or accessories for the trailer stored away somewhere.) It may be inside the trailer somewhere. So might be the grates and knobs for the Holiday stove. It's pretty cool that the pump faucet and the gas lamp are still inside. I bet there are lots of treasures tucked away. I don't imagine that the rear window is one of them, and finding an exact fit might be a real challenge, so I think making a couple plans for replacement would be in order...but it is a while down the rebuild road. Your idea of doing a frame-off restoration is right on. It is in a lot worse shape than it looks at first. Opening the roof up is going to reveal a lot. There's plenty of rot below the front window as well. It's all the same process to fix if it is one rotted truss or the entire frame.
None of it is a surprise, and it still looks like a fun project.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 8:49:08 GMT -8
Good call on the porch light. That same style light was used as our outdoor lights in the home I grew up in, so the period is correct. I'll confirm soon after I get it here.
The owner didn't know where the key was for the locking wheel lug nut. I'll bring the right size 12-pt socket, hammer, and breaker bar with me. Will use the common removal technique if I have a tire blowout on the way home.
The grates and knobs are inside the pristine oven area of the stove - looks like it was never used. I hope to find lots of other treasures like the hand pump and gas light that you discovered. We didn't get a chance to open the trunk up. Maybe I'll find Jimmy Hoffa in there.
And you are correct with the rebuild process. I'm perfectly fine with replacing one rotted stick, or the entire wall, whatever is necessary.
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Post by nccamper on Jan 8, 2018 10:28:27 GMT -8
" The window where the AC is located is probably long gone. Should I make an effort to find the exact replacement? I'm not sure if the opening was modified to fit the AC or if that is the original window framing. I guess the opening can be resized to fit the proper window if necessary."I also had an MIA window with an ugly AC hanging out of the side. I overpaid for a window on ebay that was close enough in size. I had to frame the window opening slightly smaller but since I was putting on new skin it didn't matter. It's the rear window. I think it came out of a Shasta. In truth, it works better than the Forester windows. It has an extra pane but nobody has ever noticed.
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