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Post by Teachndad on Nov 25, 2017 22:47:36 GMT -8
Hi Friends, My '85 Starcraft pop up is showing rippling in the ceiling material. I am sure it's caused by age and just heat. Images below show whats going on. I am positive it's not from water intrusion. The trailer is always covered with tarp and a sheet of thick plastic when not in use. The ceiling is covered in a paper thin material. I remember being in a 60's trailer a few years ago with a similar material on the ceiling. I posted here thinking that maybe the material used was the same. Looking for a fix for this if anyone has any ideas. Images showing rippling. Here is an image that shows the entire trailer popped up as a reference. Thanks, Rod
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Post by shastatom on Nov 26, 2017 4:55:41 GMT -8
I don't think it is water either, since I don't see any water type stains in the photo. The hard part is that this material is most likely glued. You may be able to use steam to loosen the glue and then try and smooth it out to the seams and then cut it to fit again. My guess is you will have to try and pull it off and then use some 3m spray glue to reapply it. I don't think it will shrink with the steam and without getting it glued again you would have the same issue.
Good luck.
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Post by danrhodes on Nov 26, 2017 8:07:48 GMT -8
If it can be amoothed flat with your hand or a tool, you could inject it with a hypodermic needle of glue. I thought I remembered the super Shasta mobiltec had a glitter finish material similar to this and he ended up painting the replacement material...is there an ok surface underneath for paint?
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Post by nccamper on Nov 26, 2017 9:38:53 GMT -8
It almost looks like a heavy snow stretched the coating when the weight flexed the roof.
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Post by mrmarty51 on Nov 26, 2017 14:57:45 GMT -8
I wonder if just a plain old clothes iron would soften the glue enough to make the ceiling stick back into position ? It would also flatten it back out too, just be careful that it does not crease the material.
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Post by roadtripper on Nov 26, 2017 16:09:16 GMT -8
Is there fiber or insulation above it and its glued on like a car headliner? I've fixed the liner in a couple of my old pickups by loosening an edge and spraying headliner adhesive between. Available at chain auto stores. Maybe too stretched? Just an idea.
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Post by mrmarty51 on Nov 27, 2017 8:23:39 GMT -8
I wonder if just a plain old clothes iron would soften the glue enough to make the ceiling stick back into position ? It would also flatten it back out too, just be careful that it does not crease the material. Might want to be careful though, if the material is a plastic, it might melt at the same temp as the glue.
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Post by Teachndad on Nov 27, 2017 15:18:15 GMT -8
Hi Team,
Thanks for the responses. The ceiling is plywood, no styrofoam which some pop ups have. This is one of the "older" ones. I can screw into the ceiling with 1/4 screws, which I have done to hang collapsible shelves.
The ceiling - plywood base - is very flat with no sags anywhere. I first noticed the ripples about a year ago on a camping trip. I tried to smooth it out with my hand, and it stuck back, but the next day it did the same thing as seen in the images. Heat is definitely the catalyst for the ceiling material failure.
My most recent attempt at smoothing out resulted in a 3 inch rip just 10 days ago. The sagging material is like a wall paper almost, but wall paper is thicker. This stuff is really paper thin.
I suppose I could undo anything screwed into the ceiling like the roof vent and door clips from the ceiling and gently pull it down and spray with a suitable headliner adhesive as suggested and then reapply. That adhesive would have to have some sort of working time so I could move it around. However, I kind of think anything I do is going to have to be for the entire ceiling not just where it's coming down. The other issue with a spray is overspray onto anything with fabric. I would have to mask heavily and any over spray might create a problem the next time the trailer top pops up. Could the canvas adhere to itself.
I don't know if the hypodermic idea would work. I just am leery of putting holes in it even tiny ones that might turn into tears. Dunno, though.
I see three choices. 1. Leave it as is and hope for the best. Sell it? My boys really like it's expansiveness and that it's been in the family while they grew up. I was actually hoping to sell it next spring, but who knows.
2. Attach and run some thin molding strips across the roof every foot or 18 inches to support the ceiling material. Currently 3 or 4 molding strips run across the ceiling. You can see one in the images.
3. Rip it all off and paint the ceiling.
4. I got the same question posted on two pop up forums, but older "vintage" pop ups are harder to find these days. Stuff is generally newer and constructed differently, so I think people with first hand experience are few and far between. This might be a Starcraft exclusive ceiling treatment?
Cheers,
Rod
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 15:30:06 GMT -8
Did you confirm if the paper material will melt if you try a steam iron to soften the existing adhesive? I am starting to have the same issue with a fairly new Real-Lite truck slide in camper that will need addressing, so I'm very interested in your solution.
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Post by mrmarty51 on Nov 28, 2017 4:41:28 GMT -8
Another solution might be to get some of that vinyl material, like what is in a shower surround, and screw it to the ceiling. If phillips head chrome headed counter sink screws are used then the chrome counter sink washers, It would not appear to be something that had just been added.
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Post by Teachndad on Dec 2, 2017 21:47:32 GMT -8
Hi Friends,
Sorry, I have been really busy with a lot of other things and couldn't respond. I did manage to find some threads from 7 or 8 years ago where someone with the same make as mine rebuilt his roof and had described how he did it. I haven't had time to read through the threads to cull the details and report back.
Cheers,
Rod
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Post by Teachndad on Jul 12, 2018 5:30:44 GMT -8
If it can be amoothed flat with your hand or a tool, you could inject it with a hypodermic needle of glue. I thought I remembered the super Shasta mobiltec had a glitter finish material similar to this and he ended up painting the replacement material...is there an ok surface underneath for paint? Hi Friends, UPDATE: An upcoming camping and mountain biking trip with my sons required taking the old girl out of the mothballs and here is what the ceiling looks like 7 months later. More wrinkling and now some sagging and separating. Notice the gap opening up on one of the seam strips. A closer look yielded what I believe is a Poor Man's Mahagony. AKA luan. Under the gap, it looks pristine. So, now, that I know what it probably looks like under there. I am looking at two options. 1. Leave it and let it fall apart and then just peel it off and then leave it as is. I would hope there is no water damage around the roof vent. 2. Paint it after the ceiling liner is removed. I like the light that is reflected off the light ceiling. My best hope is that when the lining gets pulled off, it looks as nice as it does in the gap. I will have seam strips that are white, but maybe the contrast won't look so bad. Thoughts? Cheers, Rod
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Post by RinTin on Jul 12, 2018 6:20:35 GMT -8
The ceiling material is most likely a type of vinyl that was glued to the plywood. Once the glue lets go, heat and gravity cause the loose areas of vinyl to soften and stretch. Once stretched, it will never lay flat again. There is no easy solution. You can try slicing and re-gluing but it's a pain, won't look good, and next year when more of the original glue let's go you'll have new wrinkles. If I wanted to keep the pop-up, I'd probably just leave it until I couldn't stand it any more then peel off as much of the old vinyl as I could, re-asses then re-cover the ceiling with what seemed most practical.
Someone's got to say it Rod, the best solution is to finish one of your vintage trailers.
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Post by Teachndad on Jul 12, 2018 22:06:30 GMT -8
Someone's got to say it Rod, the best solution is to finish one of your vintage trailers. Greg, Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!! I busted up when I read that. I hear yah. Thanks! Cheers, Rod
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