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Post by datac on Oct 10, 2017 14:05:50 GMT -8
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Post by datac on Oct 10, 2017 14:18:17 GMT -8
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Post by silvertonguedevil on Oct 10, 2017 19:20:36 GMT -8
Wow! I would've never guessed looking at the overall condition of your trailer! Can't wait to watch you fix it up! Whereabouts in Oregon are you? I'm in Seaside.
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Post by CorvettCrzy on Oct 10, 2017 19:35:06 GMT -8
Same here, when I read the first post and saw the initial pics I thought, tear down, why? I'm lovin that stove!
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Post by vikx on Oct 10, 2017 20:18:36 GMT -8
Why am I not surprised?? Thanks for the photos, Datac!
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Post by datac on Oct 11, 2017 9:27:47 GMT -8
Wow! I would've never guessed looking at the overall condition of your trailer! Can't wait to watch you fix it up! Whereabouts in Oregon are you? I'm in Seaside. I'm in Salem. If I lived in Seaside I'd probably hit the Lusse bumper cars every day- those things are a national treasure. Gotta admit, I was a bit shocked at the level of damage, but I'm trying not to get discouraged. Here's an obvious newbie question- what's the best way to preserve the dimensions for window openings, etc.? My initial plan was to build and finish the new panels off the trailer, as mobiltec does with his ceiling repairs. Is the best bet to try and remove the damaged panel intact and base dimensions from that insofar as it's possible? I obviously need to get things shored up on the side walls first to give me something solid to tie into. I'd planned on doing just a single section at a time so as to maintain structural integrity of the whole thing, but I hesitate to close up the front in case I end up needing to remove the stove, cabinetwork, etc.
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Post by vikx on Oct 11, 2017 21:04:18 GMT -8
Datac, the walls should have some pretty good framing in the middle and the window openings should be obvious. For the front and rear, the roof will dictate the window placement. Figure out the size, then frame to fit. The windows can be moved up or down if you're using new roofing. If not, use the roof vent to position the roof and do some measurements. Honestly, I don't think a section at a time is do-able with this Cardinal. When you need new front/rear/ceiling panels, it pretty much has to be taken apart to fix it. Here's the build on my 58 again: s189.photobucket.com/user/vikxphotos/library/58%20Cardinal%20Two%20into%20One?sort=6&page=1Scroll until you get to the framing section, then go back and forward. You'll see that I did have some good wood to work with in the walls. Unfortunately, the frame was broken and too weak to weld, so mine was a ground up restoration. Also, the body was enlarged, so I had to remove the cabinetry. Often, you don't have to do that if the walls stay in place. I would work on the sills and wheel wells first. Get them sound, then you can move forward. With that much rot on the edging, you're going to have to take the top layer off, then add your paneling. The top most edging matches the rafters after all the paneling is in place. You can always add cross tie boards to hold the walls square. If the cabinetry stays in place, they will help hold the walls square. Enlarging the entry opening is an option you might consider. One dinette seat would have to be re-worked, but the extra inches there would sure make for easier access. Lastly, I have to say this: triple/quadruple inspect that metal frame.
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Post by mrmarty51 on Oct 12, 2017 9:24:11 GMT -8
YUP, I`m with vikx on this one. Just too much rot to not do a total frame off.
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Post by datac on Oct 17, 2017 15:13:09 GMT -8
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Post by datac on Nov 19, 2017 23:29:20 GMT -8
Nearly finished removing the skin, including the very long roof (one continuous piece from just above the front window, covering the entire rear). Well, my dream of keeping the original skin and all of that gorgeous patina is drifting away- every one of those putty spots was covering a good-sized hole, dozens of them. It even looks as if a previous owner had drilled through the skin at the back to fish a new taillight harness (lamp cord, nice), and then puttied over the damage. Ah, well. Surprisingly, the roof around the vent doesn't look bad at all, despite the damage on the interior. As it turns out, the real damage up there is on the other side, above the wardrobe. Doesn't matter, the panel's coming out anyway. That also explains the weird false back that a PO had put in the wardrobe, and makes me suspect I'll end up pulling the whole cabinet before I'm done. Just found out I'm getting the boot from my current work area (tenant next door was apparently upset by the can of mineral spirits on my worktable, didn't notice that I'd stripped the paint off the whole thing just a couple months ago- or the gas cans in nearly every unit in the place). I didn't put up much of a fight. It's a good news/bad news sorta deal anyway, in that the yard owner offered me a drywalled 14x23' with power for about $30/mo less than I'm paying for a 14x37' without power or proper walls (chicken wire dividers). Those units were actually my first choice, but there weren't any vacancies at the time. It's going to be a bit tight compared to the amount of room I have now, but it'll be nice not having to fire the generator up every time I turn around, especially with short days and cold temperatures coming. I don't want to start framing repair until I've got it in the new space, which should be available in the next week or so.
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Post by mrmarty51 on Nov 20, 2017 4:50:24 GMT -8
Your doing a real good job Datac. Brings back memories of when I was rebuilding my camper. I was about horrified when I first seen how much rot there was in the walls of my camper, the fine people of this forum kept Me guided and the fright soon went away. LOL Can`t wait until you get moved and the rebuild continues.
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Post by nccamper on Nov 20, 2017 12:46:05 GMT -8
I enjoy the demo stage of a renovation.
Thanks for the photos.
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Post by vikx on Nov 20, 2017 21:02:09 GMT -8
Yup, it's a Cardinal all right. Thanks for sharing datac.
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Post by datac on Nov 21, 2017 9:38:43 GMT -8
Anybody have a good source for 1/2" fiberglass roll insulation? Doing a bit of research, it looks like the best R-value comes from the same stuff that was on there in 1957, amazingly, not to mention the fact that it reduces thermal bridging from the skin to the framework and is much, much easier to install than rigid foam (which is pricier and provides a lower R-value per inch). All the usual sources seem to have the thicker stuff for construction or 3" strips for pipe insulation, not much in between. I'm sure this stuff is used elsewhere...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 10:09:49 GMT -8
Even with the lower R value, I like the rigidity the foam provides between the siding and the inner wall - makes the trailer feel more solidly constructed.
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