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Post by nccamper on Feb 6, 2020 13:18:59 GMT -8
Ahh, metaphysics!
So the camper existed, yet when replaced piece by piece over 50 years becomes a new camper. And if the original pieces could be reassembled there would be two campers. But neither is truly the original camper because the first was never touched by the original builder and the second, although original pieces, was not constructed by the original builder in the original time therefore is not truly an antique.
So did the original camper ever exist if there is no direct connection to the human that created it? Just the particles of matter assembled to mirror something created in the mind of a new builder with no true connection to the distant past. Are both now reproductions?
One could argue both are the same camper because the formal cause and design do not change even though the matter used to construct it (them) may vary with time.
If I build a camper from a 1000 year old tree, using 1000 year old nails, glass, etc, does that make it a 1000 year old camper? Or does the time of it’s existence as a whole, though temporary, define the point of it’s existence regardless of the builder?
Is that Plato or Aristotle?
My head hurts. I’m going to the beach.
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Post by ekimnamniets on Feb 6, 2020 14:20:10 GMT -8
And, when you close the refrigerator door...does the little light really go off?
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Post by vikx on Feb 6, 2020 21:22:45 GMT -8
NC has been sipping too many Pina Coladas on the beach...
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Post by nccamper on Feb 7, 2020 4:10:49 GMT -8
NC has been sipping too many Pina Coladas on the beach... Maybe I haven't had enough to drink?
I may not understand the metaphysics of vintage campers, but I know I'm a boy. Unless a young boy is actually a young girl that never transfigured from a gender neutral life force enabled to achieve metamorphosis.
I should run for office!
President NCCAmper!
Super thread hijack! Sorry.
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Post by danrhodes on Feb 9, 2020 17:08:17 GMT -8
Just buy your plywood at home depot. Pre-bent .
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Post by wisconsinjoe on Feb 18, 2020 7:41:08 GMT -8
I'm building a new "vintage" ham from scratch, using a refurbished Jayco frame and salvaged Hehr windows and rebuilt vintage door. Going to skin it with .40 aluminum from a truck supplier.
Also dealing with the problem of bending the plywood ceiling. Thinking of NOT using plywood. Instead may use the aluminum (painted) for ceiling and prefinished 1/4 inch birch for side walls. After insulating between rafter/ribs and installing side curbing, plan to sheath with 1/4 inch plywood,kerfing the bends. Then, put roof aluminum skin over that. Want the plywood for racking strength.
I'm not going for a true vintage look on the inside. Rather, an updated style that matches how we camp. Not installing a sink or`water system because we always wash dishes outside (...we are camping!)
We think the painted aluminum ceiling will brighten up the interior.
Sound crazy?
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Post by WhitneyK on Feb 18, 2020 12:19:29 GMT -8
Thinking of NOT using plywood. Instead may use the aluminum (painted) for ceiling and prefinished 1/4 inch birch for side walls. We think the painted aluminum ceiling will brighten up the interior. Sound crazy? I'm considering using FRP (fiberglass reinforced panels) for my ceiling. Original ceiling had textured vinyl covering that was similar to the FRP, but had silver & gold sparkles in it, not sure I'll go that far. Figure I'll have to glue it to some 1/8" or 1/4" ply just to give it some backbone. But, may just use the wood panels I have, still undecided.
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Post by mobiltec on Feb 25, 2020 14:25:33 GMT -8
Thinking of NOT using plywood. Instead may use the aluminum (painted) for ceiling and prefinished 1/4 inch birch for side walls. We think the painted aluminum ceiling will brighten up the interior. Sound crazy? I'm considering using FRP (fiberglass reinforced panels) for my ceiling. Original ceiling had textured vinyl covering that was similar to the FRP, but had silver & gold sparkles in it, not sure I'll go that far. Figure I'll have to glue it to some 1/8" or 1/4" ply just to give it some backbone. But, may just use the wood panels I have, still undecided. Talk to me before you make a decisions. Did you see what we did for the Super Shasta which has the same ceiling in it as yours?
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Post by mobiltec on Feb 25, 2020 14:28:09 GMT -8
I'm building a new "vintage" ham from scratch, using a refurbished Jayco frame and salvaged Hehr windows and rebuilt vintage door. Going to skin it with .40 aluminum from a truck supplier. Also dealing with the problem of bending the plywood ceiling. Thinking of NOT using plywood. Instead may use the aluminum (painted) for ceiling and prefinished 1/4 inch birch for side walls. After insulating between rafter/ribs and installing side curbing, plan to sheath with 1/4 inch plywood,kerfing the bends. Then, put roof aluminum skin over that. Want the plywood for racking strength. I'm not going for a true vintage look on the inside. Rather, an updated style that matches how we camp. Not installing a sink or`water system because we always wash dishes outside (...we are camping!) We think the painted aluminum ceiling will brighten up the interior. Sound crazy? Kerfing plywood will not work It will break at the kerfs. Ask us how we know this. Use two layers of 1/8 inch paneling. Works great. Bends easy. I learned this technique from Foster Wayne. He builds the most beautiful trailers I have ever laid eyes on.
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Post by WhitneyK on Feb 25, 2020 15:40:44 GMT -8
I'm considering using FRP (fiberglass reinforced panels) for my ceiling. Original ceiling had textured vinyl covering that was similar to the FRP, but had silver & gold sparkles in it, not sure I'll go that far. Figure I'll have to glue it to some 1/8" or 1/4" ply just to give it some backbone. But, may just use the wood panels I have, still undecided. Talk to me before you make a decisions. Did you see what we did for the Super Shasta which has the same ceiling in it as yours? Ya, the '66 SS did have the same ceiling. I painted the ceiling in our li'l camper (TD) with Rustoleum high gloss white enamel using a roller. Bullet proof, slight texture yet slick / easy cleanable if need be. Will probably go that route because it's much cheaper as well as less effort. Not worried about the sparkles, we can live without them...
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Post by wisconsinjoe on Feb 26, 2020 15:27:58 GMT -8
I'm building a new "vintage" ham from scratch, using a refurbished Jayco frame and salvaged Hehr windows and rebuilt vintage door. Going to skin it with .40 aluminum from a truck supplier. Also dealing with the problem of bending the plywood ceiling. Thinking of NOT using plywood. Instead may use the aluminum (painted) for ceiling and prefinished 1/4 inch birch for side walls. After insulating between rafter/ribs and installing side curbing, plan to sheath with 1/4 inch plywood,kerfing the bends. Then, put roof aluminum skin over that. Want the plywood for racking strength. I'm not going for a true vintage look on the inside. Rather, an updated style that matches how we camp. Not installing a sink or`water system because we always wash dishes outside (...we are camping!) We think the painted aluminum ceiling will brighten up the interior. Sound crazy? Kerfing plywood will not work It will break at the kerfs. Ask us how we know this. Use two layers of 1/8 inch paneling. Works great. Bends easy. I learned this technique from Foster Wayne. He builds the most beautiful trailers I have ever laid eyes on.
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Post by wisconsinjoe on Feb 26, 2020 15:33:30 GMT -8
Yes, I'm worried that kerfing the plywood will fail. That's why I'm considering using painted aluminum. I can buy 40 mil aluminum by the foot (x 103 inches) sold as semi-truck trailer ceiling for $20/running foot. I would pre-paint it and install like plywood for the ceiling. After rafters, curbing, insulation, and wiring for fan, I will add an outer layer of 1/4 inch luan plywood to give racking strength. If the kerfing cracks where I add to make bends, I don't care because it will be topped with an aluminum roof. Make sense?
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Post by mobiltec on Feb 28, 2020 8:34:35 GMT -8
Yes, I'm worried that kerfing the plywood will fail. That's why I'm considering using painted aluminum. I can buy 40 mil aluminum by the foot (x 103 inches) sold as semi-truck trailer ceiling for $20/running foot. I would pre-paint it and install like plywood for the ceiling. After rafters, curbing, insulation, and wiring for fan, I will add an outer layer of 1/4 inch luan plywood to give racking strength. If the kerfing cracks where I add to make bends, I don't care because it will be topped with an aluminum roof. Make sense? Sounds like a lot of extra work and money for nothing really. You are talking about sandwiching 1/4 inch plywood between two layers of metal skin.
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Post by wisconsinjoe on Mar 1, 2020 14:34:29 GMT -8
Yes,an interior aluminum ceiling (that bends effortlessly), then 1.5 inch "rafters," with insulation between, then 1/4 inch plywood (to give racking strength, rigidity,and impact protection, and topped by exterior aluminum. Cost is extra cost and weight of added layer of aluminum (minus cost of fancy plywood ceiling).
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