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Post by chametzoo on Jun 12, 2016 13:20:00 GMT -8
Have not had to change a tire on my trailer yet and would like to know what method/equipment you all employ. That is, jack type, support location of jack under the trailer and how you support the tongue jack while lifting the trailer??? I will be putting new tires on the wheels before the summer and would rather not tow my trailer down to the tire shop. So I'll bring the old wheel/tires to the shop and have them mount and balance, then bring 'em home and bolt them back on. So I'd like to support the trailer properly while that's happening.
The bottle jack in my Jeep Grand Cherokee does not extend high enough to lift the trailer so that I can pull the wheel out from under the skirt. Of course I could always start on a concrete block, but this also raises the question, of what to bring with me on the road so that I can change a flat if necessary; would rather not have to travel with a block ;-).
Thanks!
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Post by vikx on Jun 12, 2016 20:34:06 GMT -8
We use a floor jack at home and count on a large bottle jack if we get a flat on the road. Knock on birch...
Be SURE that the tires you get will "fit" the wheel well. Some of my smaller hams are so tight that the tires have to be flattened to clear the hub. It's a real pain. Also, we carry a "toy" temporary spare that will slip right on.
I don't remember if my MS is more open in the wheel well area than some of the others. I'm sure others will chime in on jack location, etc. We go close to the wheel but not to interfere with the jack, if that makes sense.
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Post by turbodaddy on Jun 13, 2016 3:54:26 GMT -8
We "practiced" in the drive way before taking our first trip. This way you have time and space to experiment without the pressure of actually being on the side of the road. I carry two bottle jacks and 2 pieces of each...2x6", 4"x4" and 2"x4" lumber. I did what you are going to do regarding taking the rims to the tire shop.(also bought a new rim and tire for spare). In the driveway we used a combination of cinder blocks and 2bys at a point just behind the axle where there was a cross member. Jacked each side in small increments until it was high enough to spin the wheels. Also had the trailer jack on a block, so it was jacked and blocked at three points. Like Vikx said it was a bear getting them in and out of the wheel wells, but we where able to do it without deflating the tires. One last bit of advice. While traveling, one of the items on our daily checklist (yes we actually used one!) was "check lug nuts". For that reason we left the hubcaps off during the trip. I was surprised at how often one or two needed tightening.
We were lucky in that during an 8000 mile trip we only had one flat, and it was on the tow vehicle. I think it was in the city of Abilene, TX. Parked at a grocery store, loading the camper. I was mindlessly walking around the camper and saw a 3" long screw on the ground. Like an idiot I picked it up and threw it in the trash (didn't look for more) Got back in the truck and began driving out of the parking lot. "Clickity, clickity". Yup, should have looked for more...drove about a mile with the screw in the tire and made it to tire shop. Guy only charged us $15 to jack up the truck, remove wheel, remove screw, patch tire and put it back on! I was so glad it didn't happen somewhere out in the boonies.
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Post by nccamper on Jun 13, 2016 5:41:08 GMT -8
Because I now assume I have to let the air out of the spare tire to get it on, I bought a small air compressor that plugs into a cigarette lighter.
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Post by chametzoo on Jun 14, 2016 8:05:43 GMT -8
"Practice in the driveway"… good idea Turbo. One of my problems is that I have no driveway… at least not a paved one, so any jacking situations can be less than ideal and not level. So I've decided to tow my trailer a couple of miles to the tire shop. They'll put it on 3 proper jacks simultaneously and it'll be done quickly. Then, I'll find a taller bottle jack for roadside use should I need to change a tire on the road. I'm always hesitant to take the trailer on very short "servicing" tows because re-parking it on the trip home is like threading a needle (without my reading glasses!). It's a great parking spot, but its hard to get it in just right… also, there's an open space before the parking that requires I do a 3 point turn in order to get the trailer parked with the tongue facing out. My wife has gotten pretty good at navigating the turn-around and the parking with me at the wheel. Still… it's a pain
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Post by yas on Jun 14, 2016 11:46:21 GMT -8
I'm always hesitant to take the trailer on very short "servicing" tows because re-parking it on the trip home is like threading a needle (without my reading glasses!). It's a great parking spot, but its hard to get it in just right… also, there's an open space before the parking that requires I do a 3 point turn in order to get the trailer parked with the tongue facing out. My wife has gotten pretty good at navigating the turn-around and the parking with me at the wheel. Still… it's a pain Got to love parking in Santa Fe ... Up to now I've been carrying my floor jack with me in the truck bed. Yes, a PITA. But I _know_ I can change a tire with it under almost any circumstances. Someday I'll chase down a decent jack that's smaller than a floor jack and buy it. A last choice option is to not take any jack and chance it. If a tire has to be changed, disconnect the trailer, go to the nearest town and buy a floor jack. Yes, that could take most of the rest of the day. Practicing under controlled conditions is a really good idea. I was well practiced changing motorcycle tires in my garage. One day I had a flat on the road. In a small beach village with about 20 inhabitants. In Mexico. With no electricity, facilities, etc. In the rain. My wife went to find coffee. Off came the wheel, old tube out, new tube in. Wife came back with the local fix-a-tire guy. He had a "compressor." In quotes, as it was the air conditioner compressor on an old Chevy truck. His tanks were the silver ones you see on a syrup soda machine at the 7-11. He fired up the Chevy and filled my tire with air. I was back in business (I had CO2 cartridges as well, just in case). He wouldn't accept any money, but he did accept one of my tire gauges and a cup of coffee. This would have been a real miserable adventure without some prior practice!
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Post by turbodaddy on Jun 14, 2016 15:59:59 GMT -8
Chametzoo, you should have seen me the night we got home from our cross country trip. Tried to get here before dark, but didn't make it. Our driveway is about 100'(and fortunately straight).
I have to back the camper in and then make a sharp left turn to park it. There is no room to turn around. In daylight, when I haven't been driving for 7 hours I can do it no sweat. But that night I was totally fried, no back up lights on the camper, it was a very dark night and I couldn't see worth ----! I must have been out there for 20 minutes at least, smashing into the puckerbrush and trying over and over to get it parked. I am most likely going to install back up lights 'cause we seem to have a tendency to arrive late everywhere we go and usually sites require backing in!
Now that I'm thinking about it I could have just pulled frontwise and parked, then backed it out in the morning, except I worry about blocking access to the house by emergency vehicles.
Yaz, loved that Mexico story, my dad had a setup like that 50 years ago.
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Post by chametzoo on Jun 14, 2016 16:17:21 GMT -8
Thanks for the story Yas…
Back from Quinn's tire shop… new Maxxis are on the trailer and she's ready for summer travel. I had assumed that I would use one of the old Carlisles that were being replaced as the spare (the existing spare was an automobile tire which was 215/75/15 as opposed to the trailer's running tires: 225/75/15. Also much lower load capacity). Vikx was correct in that we had to deflate any tire that was coming off or going on the trailer… and that's with 2 floor jacks in place just to replace a single tire! One under the axle and another in the rear corner in order to better support the trailer frame. When I saw that, I decided to keep the smaller auto tire as the spare assuming that it would fit on without deflating. Not so… we tested it and a 215 is just a hair smaller that a 225, so I ended up with the original plan of using one of the Carlisle trailer tires as spare… it will be a better match for the remaining Maxxi if I have to mix them after a flat. So the dilemma is that even with 2 jacks I have to deflate a spare… which makes the spare, moot.
So my first plan is in the event of flat, call AAA and ask for a truck with a compressor. But out here in northern NM, CO, UT, etc. you can easily be 30 miles from even a hole in the wall town… plus: no mobile phone service! Am I right Yas? What's a vintage trailer traveller to do?
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Post by chametzoo on Jun 14, 2016 16:23:59 GMT -8
Now that I'm thinking about it I could have just pulled frontwise and parked, then backed it out in the morning…. Turbo… that's what I've done in the past when arriving after dark: just park it nose first and connected to the TV, go inside and have a beer and deal with it in the morning! My maneuver is a doozy, but my wife and I have it down to a science. The 3 point turn I could probably do myself, but getting the trailer (backed) into it's canopy (only a foot wider on each side than the trailer) takes precision and some patience… but we did it remarkably quickly today and put the tires almost exactly where they were when I left this morning. It's tight but actually a great parking spot in that I have a water spigot, electrical outlet and sewer clean out, all within a few feet of the trailer. Geez, now that I think of it, I could charge $50 a night for that spot !
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Post by turbodaddy on Jun 14, 2016 18:21:26 GMT -8
Only if you have good neighbors. I can't find it right now, but there actually is a site where you can offer your space in exchange for a stay somewhere else. You might not get the $50 bucks, but you can stay at their place for free. I'll try to find the website. Beer seems like a good idea under such severe circumstances. You have a designated "canopy" for the trailer? By Jeez, you are living right!
I am always on guard for falling tree limbs here. "Conservation commission" and "zoning" will not allow me to construct a canopy. That is the price we pay for our privacy and 20 acre conservation area abutting our place. Not a complaint, just reality.
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Post by chametzoo on Jun 15, 2016 6:52:23 GMT -8
You have a designated "canopy" for the trailer? By Jeez, you are living right! I am always on guard for falling tree limbs here. I've heard about that site which trades space on private property for trailer travelers. I think I'm mostly kidding when I made the "$50" comment. Insurance and liability would be a complication. My lovely parking space at my rented house is directly under a very large, mature Siberian Elm tree. At the height of its powers and very hearty, but potentially vulnerable to lightning strikes… so I worry sometimes. A large limb would total my trailer, and while very insured, would not cover my true blood, sweat and tears investment. Yes, my canopy is a very nice cover… meant to be temporary (aluminum poles, tan nylon top with an bowed, not A frame, roof… only one like it I could find), but my architectural background allowed me to make structural modifications that make it very stable and resistant to blowing away. I'll post a picture when I have time. I've also bungee strung nylon, translucent mesh tarps around the sides that protect from the brunt of the weather, esp. hail which we sometimes get here in the summer.
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Post by chametzoo on Jun 17, 2016 11:04:19 GMT -8
Vikx was correct in that we had to deflate any tire that was coming off or going on the trailer… and that's with 2 floor jacks in place just to replace a single tire! One under the axle and another in the rear corner in order to better support the trailer frame. When I saw that, I decided to keep the smaller auto tire as the spare assuming that it would fit on without deflating. Not so… we tested it and a 215 is just a hair smaller that a 225, so I ended up with the original plan of using one of the Carlisle trailer tires as spare… it will be a better match for the remaining Maxxi if I have to mix them after a flat. So the dilemma is that even with 2 jacks I have to deflate a spare… which makes the spare, moot. So my first plan is in the event of flat, call AAA and ask for a truck with a compressor. But out here in northern NM, CO, UT, etc. you can easily be 30 miles from even a hole in the wall town… plus: no mobile phone service! Am I right Yas? What's a vintage trailer traveller to do?Still curious as to what some might do in the above situation. Air has to be let out of the spare tire to fit it under the skirt. Is there a "canned air" product for filling tires up to 80psi?! I can't imagine a 12V compressor would be able to fill a tire to full pressure.
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Post by vikx on Jun 17, 2016 22:35:07 GMT -8
Chametzoo, the trick is to use a temporary or "toy" spare. They fit well and are easy to stow. Once you reach a reasonable sized town, the tire shop should be able to repair/replace your flat trailer tire.
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Post by bigbill on Jun 19, 2016 5:24:29 GMT -8
A safe way to change a trailer tire is to purchase a small jack that will fit between the top of axle and the frame. This allows you to lift the body to get clearance to remove tire from wheel well. Then have a second jack to place under the axle to lift tire off the ground. Make certain that your jack will collapse small enough to fit under the axle if tire is completely flat. I also like to carry a piece of 2x12 to put under jack to create a better foot print on a soft/unstable surface.
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Post by chametzoo on Jun 21, 2016 19:31:38 GMT -8
A safe way to change a trailer tire is to purchase a small jack that will fit between the top of axle and the frame. This allows you to lift the body to get clearance to remove tire from wheel well. Then have a second jack to place under the axle to lift tire off the ground. Make certain that your jack will collapse small enough to fit under the axle if tire is completely flat. I also like to carry a piece of 2x12 to put under jack to create a better foot print on a soft/unstable surface. Thanks Bill. So, you're saying to actually place a jack…perhaps a scissor type would be suitable to that task… not on the ground, but to lever open the space between the top of axle and frame to allow more space to remove the flat and replace with spare? …then lift the whole trailer up from beneath the axle with the second jack? If I'm understanding you correctly, that could be done with 2 simple automobile sized jacks.
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