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Post by idaho211 on Aug 5, 2020 19:31:47 GMT -8
I am working on my Kenskill right now.. Front corners were the worst, then the door threshold and trunk areas. I ended up replacing all of the floor sills and some of the plywood in the corners. But the floor was great. I bet yours is okay too. You can take an ice pick or sharp gasket tool and poke the wood floor joists and plywood in question. If it sinks in like balsam wood you need to replace. The Celotex is available and called soundboard and can be replaced underneath the trailer from your pictures. One thing I found was the wood framing was 1 5/8 thick not the 1 1/2 as on todays lumber. I had to buy some thicker wood 4/2 rough cut douglas fir and had it planed to 1 5/8. Everything fits flush now with the old wood .Good luck..
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Post by datac on Aug 6, 2020 14:23:26 GMT -8
Datac, You didnt have any trouble keeping the adhesive wet while set it. Of course cut and fit the wheels first then roll it back and spread the adhesive then lay it down and roll it. I have a retired guy that said $150 to lay it but I am not sure now. He said yes its heavy and for an old guy, I said I could help and said that would be great. I think I may do it myself too. No problems at all. I can see how the need to keep the adhesive wet and work quickly would be a challenge in a fair-size room, but the very small square footage in a vintage trailer makes it quick and easy. I'd obviously pre-trimmed the marmoleum to fit, with the floor outside the trailer in my instance. I made sure everything was scrupulously clean and prefit the marmoleum, clamping it down with a 2x4 on the back edge of the floor which will be underneath the bed. That way I could practice rolling it out and keeping it properly aligned before laying down the adhesive. Once I had that process down I used the proper notched trowel specified by Forbo, worked quickly spreading the adhesive, and then set and rolled the marmoleum with a 100lb roller, took maybe twenty minute start to finish. Because I'm picky and paranoid I also clamped down the flooring under lumber on some of the edges, as visible in my photos. I let it cure for a day or so before covering with ramboard for protection as my project continues.
I wouldn't hesitate to do it again.
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Post by WhitneyK on Aug 7, 2020 5:46:10 GMT -8
Datac, You didnt have any trouble keeping the adhesive wet while set it. Of course cut and fit the wheels first then roll it back and spread the adhesive then lay it down and roll it. No problems at all. I can see how the need to keep the adhesive wet and work quickly would be a challenge I'm a little confused / concerned here. I don't want to over-step my bounds, but you mention working with "wet" adhesive when installing your flooring. I grew up in the flooring business, and granted, things / products / procedures change over the years, but the glue we used required it to dry / turn clear / tacky before applying the flooring. If not, it would ooze / slip / not stick properly. Just my opinion and observation, didn't say it was a good one.....
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Post by 57 Trotwood on Aug 7, 2020 6:29:34 GMT -8
Thankyou Datc, my plan was exactly as you stated. I will install myself. Whitney , FORBO is totally differentt. It has a jute backing, its heavy and FORBO stresses many times in their videos that the adhesive has to be WET. in fact , to purchase and install as a contractor you are advised to attend their school.
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Post by WhitneyK on Aug 7, 2020 7:21:34 GMT -8
Thankyou Datc, my plan was exactly as you stated. I will install myself. Whitney , FORBO is totally differentt. It has a jute backing, its heavy and FORBO stresses many times in their videos that the adhesive has to be WET. in fact , to purchase and install as a contractor you are advised to attend their school. Wow, so it's more like carpet than "sheet" goods? Hmm, strange, but like I said, things change, and this year is no different, times they be a changin'. So, does it actually stick down solid eventually or is it more floating? You've got my curiosity up, gonna research this on the web... Thanks for the clarification.
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Post by datac on Aug 7, 2020 8:37:04 GMT -8
Forbo is currently the only remaining manufacturer of linoleum, which it sells under the brand name of Marmoleum. Linoleum is a very, very old product, and my understanding is that the technologies involved haven't changed much in the last century. It resembles vinyl sheet flooring only in that it is flat and goes on the floor. It's gorgeous stuff.
It definitely sticks, not floats, and it's a Marmoleum-specific adhesive that's used. I've used it on kitchen countertops as well, as was common back in the 1930s-1950s.
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Post by Teachndad on Aug 8, 2020 6:55:00 GMT -8
I let it cure for a day or so before covering with ramboard for protection as my project continues. Hi Friends, I caught this in Datac's response. I looked up Ramboard. Looks like a nice product. I only mention it, as I was curious as to how to protect the floor linoleum/tiles after installation. If you go to the Ramboard website, they have a short video on what it looks like as it's rolled out for those researching this part of your restoration. The more I think about this, the more I realize I had the strength to hoist a 100 lbs. roller up onto the floor, so this would be one place where I would hire out to get this done. I know it's more costly, but for me, it's the best option. Of course, there's also, the Dan Rhodes method of using a rolling pin otherwise used for dough. I think he ended up with good results. Cheers, Rod
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Post by chriss on Aug 9, 2020 8:21:38 GMT -8
I'm with Datac. MDO board for subfloor. Marmoleum for finish floor.
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Post by datac on Aug 9, 2020 21:03:32 GMT -8
I probably could have got by with cardboard instead of Ramboard, but didn't have any sizeable pieces on hand at the time and the Ramboard was right there at the home improvement store. The smallest rolls you can buy are big enough to do several trailers, so it's probably overkill, but that's pretty much my thing.
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Post by WhitneyK on Aug 11, 2020 3:16:34 GMT -8
Forbo is currently the only remaining manufacturer of linoleum, which it sells under the brand name of Marmoleum. Linoleum is a very, very old product, and my understanding is that the technologies involved haven't changed much in the last century. It resembles vinyl sheet flooring only in that it is flat and goes on the floor. It's gorgeous stuff.
It definitely sticks, not floats, and it's a Marmoleum-specific adhesive that's used. I've used it on kitchen countertops as well, as was common back in the 1930s-1950s.
I was too young to remember install details of that product, but I do remember the name Marmoleum & Congoleum. Back in the day, it was only offered on a 9' wide roll. It came rolled around bamboo poles which we still have quite a few of in the loft of the barn that I'm working on my trailer in.
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Post by datac on Aug 11, 2020 9:39:34 GMT -8
Sheet Marmoleum is sold on 79" rolls now, so it's a perfect width for many vintage trailers.
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