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Post by mobiltec on Dec 20, 2019 10:07:49 GMT -8
Since the Democrats took over the state of Nevada two years ago we are beginning to see lots of laws change. All of them cost us money and infringe on our rights. They are trying to turn this state into California and it's not going to go down easily. But I digress....
One of the laws that were changed is that now, it is practically IMPOSSIBLE to title and register any kind of vehicle including travel trailers and boat trailers without a title. Sound stupid? Well it's what you get when politicians get greedy. Anyhow I used to be able to jump through some hoops and pay a little extra money and obtain a title when all I had was a bill of sale and a readable VIN. Can't do that now. Now you must drive long distances to larger cities and after filling out a ton of paperwork you can apply for a "Bond Title". Here's where the money comes into play. You will have to pay 150% of the manufacturer's suggested retail price of the vehicle in the form of a bond to obtain a title which will not really make the trailer YOURS for a certain period of time. That period to be judged by the people giving you the "temporary" bond title. Now this could last for years depending on what kind of mood your DMV worker is in at the time. After which, if it turns up stolen years down the road and the owner is notified, you could lose your trailer to that newly found owner and all the money and time you put into it.
I found all this out when I bought a boat and boat trailer from California. The boat has a title but the trailer did not. Just a bill of sale and a readable VIN. I figured no problem until I got to the DMV and they broke the news to me. What a let down that was. And of course the seller could care less now. He won't even answer the phone.
So here's what I need to try. I'm going to sell the boat trailer, on paper anyhow to a friend who lives in CA using just a bill of sale and the VIN. If that works, he can then title it and sell it back to me. Then I will have a legal title and can retitle it here in NV. That is the plan anyhow. Let's see if it works. I'll keep you all updated.
I want to thank all the idiots who moved into Las Vegas to get away from the California crap and bringing their stupid voting habits with them. You just started changing Nevada into California so what was your reason for leaving in the first place?
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Post by oakback on Dec 20, 2019 13:10:03 GMT -8
I used to have a job that revolved around registrations and titles, and I kind of like researching these issues and finding ways of getting things done. For instance, I bought an old mechanic lien motorcycle that changed hands several times, out of state, and got it registered in Vermont (no residency requirement, no titles for bikes over 15 years) with just a bill of sale, then got it titled in Florida (where I live). Completely legal. I called the Nevada DMV and asked about requirements for titling a homemade trailer. The man I spoke with said you could have built the trailer from stuff you had laying around, but if you have any receipts for anything in the build process, bring those. You also bring the trailer. Then you "go out back" and have them do an inspection ( requirements, form). If you pass the inspection, they assign it a VIN. Then you go back inside and complete a form called a Statement of Facts. He says inspection fee is $20, and title fee is $29.25. The cool thing about a homemade trailer is any trailer can be homemade. It's weird that if I sell you an assembled trailer, you need a title. But I can sell you a frame, springs, and axle, with a handwritten receipt, then you assemble it, it's homemade. Title it yourself, no problem. Your way might be easier though. |
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Post by vikx on Dec 20, 2019 21:45:06 GMT -8
I don't like the new laws either and HATE THE DMV. The hours I've wasted standing in line in Calif. only to be told I needed two more forms. Or the original worker had gone to lunch and the new one knew nothing about trailers...The rules there are unbelievable, especially for non registered trailers. Beware of your state or province's rules!
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Post by nccamper on Dec 21, 2019 5:55:31 GMT -8
NC is a strange place when it comes to titles. If you buy in the state, you need a title. Period. If you buy out of state in most cases you need a title from there to register it here. From other states, you just need a bills of sale to get a title here if the camper is over a certain age which varies depending on where you bought the camper. Still other states, a transferable registration is enough but NC will hold the title for 90 days in case the camper is stolen. Wait, I’m not finished. To title a camper in NC bought from some southern states all you need is a bill of sale notarized from the seller and another notarized from the person they bought it from. And nobody at DMV has in writing which states require what paperwork.
This is the honest truth...I've gone to one window at DMV and been told a camper couldn't be titled in NC and came back a week later to a different window and got a title without any problem at all.
If you try to get a title without the correct paperwork (which is different at every window at DMV) you need a bond. Then you need to place a classified ad with the vin number in a local paper in case the camper was stolen. If it was stolen, you lose everything you spent. Confused? So am I. |
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Post by mobiltec on Dec 21, 2019 7:11:20 GMT -8
I used to have a job that revolved around registrations and titles, and I kind of like researching these issues and finding ways of getting things done. For instance, I bought an old mechanic lien motorcycle that changed hands several times, out of state, and got it registered in Vermont (no residency requirement, no titles for bikes over 15 years) with just a bill of sale, then got it titled in Florida (where I live). Completely legal. I called the Nevada DMV and asked about requirements for titling a homemade trailer. The man I spoke with said you could have built the trailer from stuff you had laying around, but if you have any receipts for anything in the build process, bring those. You also bring the trailer. Then you "go out back" and have them do an inspection ( requirements, form). If you pass the inspection, they assign it a VIN. Then you go back inside and complete a form called a Statement of Facts. He says inspection fee is $20, and title fee is $29.25. The cool thing about a homemade trailer is any trailer can be homemade. It's weird that if I sell you an assembled trailer, you need a title. But I can sell you a frame, springs, and axle, with a handwritten receipt, then you assemble it, it's homemade. Title it yourself, no problem. Your way might be easier though. I called and called the DMV for 3 days before I got through. I don't know how you did it. And when I did get through, the lady said that being that there is a VIN on the frame, I needed a bond title and she would switch me to the right person. I got a recording saying they were too busy to answer the phone and to leave a message. No one ever called me back. I am told I MUST deal with the Carson City office even though we have a DMV right here in my town. I think I'll just try my way first but thanks for looking into it. I'm curious as to which office you called. I am in Northern Nevada. No where near Las Vegas. |
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Post by oakback on Dec 23, 2019 7:36:16 GMT -8
I called the one in Las Vegas.
The pre-existing VIN makes sense though, I'd imagine that would come up during the inspection. Though I wonder how it would work if you actually pieced together a trailer, the tongue of whatever you use would likely have an old VIN.
My Phoenix camper has an Indiana-assigned VIN bolted on, and I also found an old stamped VIN, no idea how they work around that. The original VIN wasn't grinded off or obscured.
Like many of these issues, I wouldn't doubt you'd have a very different experience depending on what office or representative you deal with, unfortunately.
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Post by mobiltec on Dec 23, 2019 13:55:27 GMT -8
I called the one in Las Vegas. The pre-existing VIN makes sense though, I'd imagine that would come up during the inspection. Though I wonder how it would work if you actually pieced together a trailer, the tongue of whatever you use would likely have an old VIN. My Phoenix camper has an Indiana-assigned VIN bolted on, and I also found an old stamped VIN, no idea how they work around that. The original VIN wasn't grinded off or obscured. Like many of these issues, I wouldn't doubt you'd have a very different experience depending on what office or representative you deal with, unfortunately. Yep I figured it was LV that you called. They are an extension of California and only care about the rule of law when there is money to be sucked out of our wallets. We refer to Las Vegas as "California East"... There is talk of changing the border to cut LV out of Nevada and giving it to California. I would love to see that happen. I didn't move here to live under a bunch of communist rules. I've already had a VIN inspection done on it because I didn't know about the change in laws yet. So now there is a record of that happening. I'm pretty sure I can get a California title for it and then I can just use that to get it titled here. |
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Post by nccamper on Dec 23, 2019 20:10:13 GMT -8
“I used to be able to jump through some hoops and pay a little extra money and obtain a title… Can't do that now.” I hear you! Let me tell you a story of when the world made sense to me. During the Cold War I worked with a group that took things behind the Iron Curtain. (Story too long to include) I was taught a valuable lesson by the man who ran the organization…”Paperwork has a way of working itself out under the right circumstances.” I’d leave a little money sitting on the dashboard of my vehicle. hand the incomplete entry papers to the border guard on the other side of Checkpoint Charlie, look away for a moment, when I looked back the money was gone, my paperwork was approved, and I was quickly ushered on my way into East Berlin. I long for the clarity of those days every time I visit DMV. I’m still not above dropping a little cash on the floor. I do it all the time in Haiti. Nobody gets insulted. Nobody calls the police. Heck, most of the time it’s the police picking up the money. Why do we have to make paperwork so complicated in this country?
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Post by mobiltec on Dec 23, 2019 20:22:53 GMT -8
Well it's not everywhere in the country. Some states are easier than others. But then again those states sound like a great place to sell stolen trailers. That being said, where there is a will, there is a way. I never panic. I just keep pushing on it until if falls over.
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Post by vikx on Dec 23, 2019 20:26:49 GMT -8
I called the one in Las Vegas. The pre-existing VIN makes sense though, I'd imagine that would come up during the inspection. Though I wonder how it would work if you actually pieced together a trailer, the tongue of whatever you use would likely have an old VIN. My Phoenix camper has an Indiana-assigned VIN bolted on, and I also found an old stamped VIN, no idea how they work around that. The original VIN wasn't grinded off or obscured. Like many of these issues, I wouldn't doubt you'd have a very different experience depending on what office or representative you deal with, unfortunately. I've gone thru the grinding and VIN re-stamping more than once. They are very hard to grind off! And we had to remove it or no new VIN issued. (newer frame, old trailer) Stamping isn't as straight forward as one might think either; hard to keep the numbers straight and hit just hard enough. I've had to stamp a couple of our Calif trailers, as they had stickers for the VIN, which disappear over the years. Once done, it's back for inspection. |
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Post by WhitneyK on Dec 25, 2019 8:17:27 GMT -8
Indiana, in my opinion of course, if fairly simple. I go in with a good attitude, a smiling face, and patience.
First trip is usually a "recon mission", explain what I have and ask what I need to provide them. (remember the good attitude & smiling face thing).
Second trip is with everything they asked for, in order (and again, that smiling face & good attitude). Sometimes I even get the same person, and if not, if they remember me and swing by to make sure things are going ok and guide the "new" attendant to what I'm needing to accomplish.
Had a VIN on an old frame that was illegible and no title.
Rather than complicate things, BMV attendant suggested I just apply for an "assembled" trailer from "parts on hand" title (if you assemble it from purchased parts, you have to provide the receipts showing that sales tax for material has been paid. I think this set the value of the trailer as well).
Local PD comes by, check it out, sign the application form I completed for them, and chit-chat a bit.
Take the form back into BMV, $15 they send it in, about a week I get an "assignment of VIN".
Stamp the new numbers on a piece of aluminum with my handy dandy HF stamp kit, pop rivet it to the tongue where they want it, contact local PD for second inspection (they verify VIN tag), chit-chat some more, pay them $5 for local inspection, then it's back to the BMV. If I remember, another $15 to apply for title, (purchasing license plates at this time is optional) week to ten days title arrives in the mail.
Needless to say, as difficult as it may be at times, a smiling face & good attitude go a long way, especially if you give them all the documentation they ask for here in Indiana.
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Post by kebideplin57 on Feb 2, 2021 11:47:48 GMT -8
I was just researching information on obtaining a title on a 1979 Mesa Apache. There is one for sale that just was posted, that is about a mile from where we live.( Las Vegas) Needs work, great price, the catch no title! Ugh. Got a few suggestions from the Apache preservation society but it is so confusing! I though NY was bad, you are right, Nevada is worse. I can understand if it is a newer car, or even a boat, but cant they trace the owner from the VIN? With vintage campers becoming more and more popular, you would think they would figure something out! Any suggestions would be appreciated!
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Post by mobiltec on Feb 11, 2021 9:08:54 GMT -8
I was just researching information on obtaining a title on a 1979 Mesa Apache. There is one for sale that just was posted, that is about a mile from where we live.( Las Vegas) Needs work, great price, the catch no title! Ugh. Got a few suggestions from the Apache preservation society but it is so confusing! I though NY was bad, you are right, Nevada is worse. I can understand if it is a newer car, or even a boat, but cant they trace the owner from the VIN? With vintage campers becoming more and more popular, you would think they would figure something out! Any suggestions would be appreciated! OK I found the answer for dealing with NV DMV and it worked great. I used a private service whom I have used for years when I was in CA and they came through with flying colors on a problem I had here. I bought a boat and boat trailer up in Lake Tahoe on the CA side with no title on the boat trailer. They would not register it for me here. So I sent photos of the trailer and the measurements and VIN to my friends in CA and although because if COVID it took 3 months, they sent me back a title in my name for the trailer. Now all I have to do is go to any NV DMV and have it changed to NV registration and a new title. Simple. It cost me $150 to do this but it's done. The name of the service is "In & Out Vehicle Registration Service" in Lake Elsinore CA. The whole thing was done through the mail so I'm sure it can be done from anywhere. In & Out Vehicle Registration Svc. Bryan Graves and Donna Graves Owners Tel. 951-245-3939 Give them a try. |
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Post by Hamlet on Feb 12, 2021 12:59:23 GMT -8
I remember you using a service car n some of your really “vintage” posts. Glad to hear they go outside CA.
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Post by mobiltec on Feb 14, 2021 7:23:49 GMT -8
I remember you using a service car n some of your really “vintage” posts. Glad to hear they go outside CA. It's amazing that California still comes in handy for something useful. LOL... |
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